Comments on: Request for Feedback: New Abandoned Groups Guideline http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/ Your home for Yahoo! Groups updates! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:06:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Art http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-241723 Art Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:22:05 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-241723 This blog is pointless. I just spent a large chunk of my evening reading over a year of futility and frustration. Users are asked for their input. It is given ad nauseum. I see that "major policy changes" are being noted as the reason for the long delay (or even a posting of consideration). There is much more emphasis on changing Yahoo to copy more popular social networking sites without running into any of these issues. Hogwash. Next time you folks don't want input - don't ask for it. I'm sure you've got the spammer hits to cover the loss of legitimate group use so please don't fret about losing a legitimate user-base. This blog is pointless. I just spent a large chunk of my evening reading over a year of futility and frustration.

Users are asked for their input. It is given ad nauseum.

I see that “major policy changes” are being noted as the reason for the long delay (or even a posting of consideration). There is much more emphasis on changing Yahoo to copy more popular social networking sites without running into any of these issues. Hogwash.

Next time you folks don’t want input – don’t ask for it.

I’m sure you’ve got the spammer hits to cover the loss of legitimate group use so please don’t fret about losing a legitimate user-base.

]]> By: neiani http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-236011 neiani Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:17:46 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-236011 Today, November 12, 2009 that I'm posting here. The last comment before mine is: " Whitney said,October 21, 2008 @ 4:10 pm " PLEASE what is the latest on this status regarding Moderators who are inactive. I need help running a group of 26K plus members. Ms. Melissa Daniels, are you incharge of this particular issue? What is the latest. . . pleaseeeee! Or have you yahoo group management completely abandoned us loyal moderators who continue to manage our groups by ourselves? PLEASE RESPOND if we cannot post or appeal for help on yahoo group: Moderator Central. THANK YOU!!! Today, November 12, 2009 that I’m posting here. The last comment before mine is: ” Whitney said,October 21, 2008 @ 4:10 pm ” PLEASE what is the latest on this status regarding Moderators who are inactive. I need help running a group of 26K plus members. Ms. Melissa Daniels, are you incharge of this particular issue? What is the latest. . . pleaseeeee! Or have you yahoo group management completely abandoned us loyal moderators who continue to manage our groups by ourselves? PLEASE RESPOND if we cannot post or appeal for help on yahoo group: Moderator Central. THANK YOU!!!

]]> By: Tolkny http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-234852 Tolkny Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:52:18 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-234852 This group started 10 years ago. It is very active and performing great service. I was a hard working Moderator several years ago and then passed on the duty to others. It now seems as if the person who was owner has at some time removed owner privileges from others and now vanished. Surely Yahoo can upgrade the existing active Moderator to Owner so that she can at least create new Moderators? The existing Owner can have an opportunity to contact Yahoo if he is not happy but otherwise a whole lot of archive information is likely to be lost. I think Yahoo need in fairness to get this sorted, after all this group has given their advertisers much exposure over a number of years and presumably generated income for Yahoo and so is commercially worth Servicing. This group started 10 years ago.

It is very active and performing great service.

I was a hard working Moderator several years ago and then passed on the duty to others.

It now seems as if the person who was owner has at some time removed owner privileges from others and now vanished.

Surely Yahoo can upgrade the existing active Moderator to Owner so that she can at least create new Moderators?

The existing Owner can have an opportunity to contact Yahoo if he is not happy but otherwise a whole lot of archive information is likely to be lost.

I think Yahoo need in fairness to get this sorted, after all this group has given their advertisers much exposure over a number of years and presumably generated income for Yahoo and so is commercially worth Servicing.

]]> By: Westmiller http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-232124 Westmiller Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:10:42 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-232124 After more than a year of comments, I don't see any response to indicate a policy change or procedure. What gives? Our eGroup Owner has died and I'm a Moderator with limited priveleges. HELP!! After more than a year of comments, I don’t see any response to indicate a policy change or procedure. What gives?
Our eGroup Owner has died and I’m a Moderator with limited priveleges.
HELP!!

]]> By: Sharla http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-225219 Sharla Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:09:31 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-225219 I am getting the feeling this is a lost cause am I right? some of the problems most of you point out is the same for me but some of the suggestions for fixing them would not help in my case of pet rescue groups, not that I hold out any hope that Yahoo is listening or will di anything. If they made it so you had to have a poll that would not work on rescue groups because though some of our problems are spam most is from cross posters (who think they are helping) clogging up the lists with 1000's of emails so though many don't read at all some may and not vote for a change and if they went by who post the most well then the cross poster who clogs the most will be first choice! NO help there at all. I find that on many groups polls are not available and many times members names aren't either so there is no way to tell if an owner's email is bouncing or not and if there are any mod's so where do you go from there? I've been told to start a new group and the problem is that when people search the best name helps and the amount of members come up on top even if all the members are bouncing it still looks like they are the most active group to join and they would have to scroll down several pages to find a new group. Some of the groups have been set to allow some peoples post and not others without moderation or all are moderated and the moterators as well as the owner are MIA so you can't even send a message to the group to see if anyone wants to move to another list or not so I am begining to feel that yahoo groups are dead. AS has been said before these groups have helped alot of people and animals with still way too much potential to help more but not if something doesn't change soon to let some new people revive the dead groups. I am getting the feeling this is a lost cause am I right? some of the problems most of you point out is the same for me but some of the suggestions for fixing them would not help in my case of pet rescue groups, not that I hold out any hope that Yahoo is listening or will di anything. If they made it so you had to have a poll that would not work on rescue groups because though some of our problems are spam most is from cross posters (who think they are helping) clogging up the lists with 1000’s of emails so though many don’t read at all some may and not vote for a change and if they went by who post the most well then the cross poster who clogs the most will be first choice! NO help there at all. I find that on many groups polls are not available and many times members names aren’t either so there is no way to tell if an owner’s email is bouncing or not and if there are any mod’s so where do you go from there? I’ve been told to start a new group and the problem is that when people search the best name helps and the amount of members come up on top even if all the members are bouncing it still looks like they are the most active group to join and they would have to scroll down several pages to find a new group. Some of the groups have been set to allow some peoples post and not others without moderation or all are moderated and the moterators as well as the owner are MIA so you can’t even send a message to the group to see if anyone wants to move to another list or not so I am begining to feel that yahoo groups are dead.
AS has been said before these groups have helped alot of people and animals with still way too much potential to help more but not if something doesn’t change soon to let some new people revive the dead groups.

]]> By: KC http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-14/#comment-223383 KC Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:44:24 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-223383 What if an owner has told you they no longer have any interest in the group, but won't delete it or turn it over to anyone else. I'm on a group and I'm the only one who has posted in like months; So why can't there be a way to take over something you know for a fact has been given up on by it's creator. What if an owner has told you they no longer have any interest in the group, but won’t delete it or turn it over to anyone else. I’m on a group and I’m the only one who has posted in like months; So why can’t there be a way to take over something you know for a fact has been given up on by it’s creator.

]]> By: D Brown http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-13/#comment-221457 D Brown Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:54:17 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-221457 Group ownership should have a requirement to expand when a group is active with daily posts beyond 50 and when membership exceeds 50. Also, a monitor of the owner's activity in the group should apply. A committment of sorts to own a group. If a group is so active to the point it becomes larger than the owner's vision, there needs to be some quorum of moderators to prevent the loss of a group. Group ownership should have a requirement to expand when a group is active with daily posts beyond 50 and when membership exceeds 50. Also, a monitor of the owner’s activity in the group should apply. A committment of sorts to own a group.

If a group is so active to the point it becomes larger than the owner’s vision, there needs to be some quorum of moderators to prevent the loss of a group.

]]> By: Pete http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-13/#comment-221440 Pete Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:46:30 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-221440 I have a slightly different question. Rather than abandon my group, I would like to turn it over to a new owner. Is there a way to do that? Background: the group was formed for an over-55 community, and as I may be selling my house to move closer to my grandchildren, I would have no further interest in owning the group. Thanks. I have a slightly different question. Rather than abandon my group, I would like to turn it over to a new owner. Is there a way to do that?

Background: the group was formed for an over-55 community, and as I may be selling my house to move closer to my grandchildren, I would have no further interest in owning the group.

Thanks.

]]> By: Scott Gordon http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-13/#comment-220506 Scott Gordon Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:49:09 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-220506 We have a group that was started by one of the cast members of an old television program from the 1980's. After he started it, he enlisted several of his fellow cast members to help as moderators. The originator has, at this time, died of lung cancer, but the other cast members wish to keep the group open for the fans who attend it, ask questions and make comments. We would also like to do this as a memorial to the guy who started it. How do we go about this? We have a group that was started by one of the cast members of an old television program from the 1980’s. After he started it, he enlisted several of his fellow cast members to help as moderators. The originator has, at this time, died of lung cancer, but the other cast members wish to keep the group open for the fans who attend it, ask questions and make comments. We would also like to do this as a memorial to the guy who started it.

How do we go about this?

]]> By: L Johnson http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/comment-page-13/#comment-215335 L Johnson Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:39:18 +0000 http://ygroupsblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/request-for-feedback-new-abandoned-groups-guideline/#comment-215335 I think that Yahoo has banned the idea of keeping alive abandoned groups, pun intended. I wrote Customer Care about an abandoned group and got the terse words: Terms of Service, yada, yada, yada...NO ownership changes....yada yada yada....create another group. Thanks for nothing. I think that Yahoo has banned the idea of keeping alive abandoned groups, pun intended.

I wrote Customer Care about an abandoned group and got the terse words: Terms of Service, yada, yada, yada…NO ownership changes….yada yada yada….create another group.

Thanks for nothing.

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